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|0000964||Documentation, Examples, and Web Site||Writing with Inform||public||2012-08-05 06:00||2014-05-07 07:38|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||6L02|
|Summary||0000964: WI 12.6 should explain that, in contrast with orders and WI 12.5, unsuccessful spontaneous actions print nothing for failure|
|Description||Based on a report originally against core Inform:|
The action fails as it should do, but there is no error message saying that the action has failed.
|Minimal Source Text To Reproduce|
"Test" Instead of thinking, try mr monkey singing. The Testing Room is A Room. Mr Monkey is a person in the testing room. Test me with "think".
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It seems like this is correct behavior: instead rules are expected to print responses themselves, and spontaneous NPC actions aren't expected to report failures. Based on the fact that you have a persuasion rule, perhaps you meant
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Instead of thinking, try asking mr monkey to try singing.
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Actually, the persuasion rule isn't relevant and was left in accidentally. The same problem occurs if it were a check rule rather than an instead rule.
I'm not sure whether this is intentional, but I rather thought that it would be more suitable for inform to give an error message instead of leaving a blank line.
edited on: 2012-08-08 18:26
I can see arguments both ways, but this is intentional. There's an explicit special case in the template layer:
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[ GL__M a b c d;
if ((actor ~= player) || (untouchable_silence)) rtrue;
return L__M(a,b,c,d); ];
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WI 12.6 almost explains this; it points out that ``when such actions fail, they invoke no special set of rules.'' Perhaps it should further state that the check rules will not print any text—that would make this a documentation bug.
Note that, for cases where the author does want to generate an error message, try statements set the variable ``the reason the action failed'', which the instead/check rule or one of its callees can then consult.
|I see. I guess it would be better to clarify this in the documentation.|
Okay; I've converted the report. Thanks for filing it.
|2012-08-05 06:00||climbingstars||New Issue|
|2012-08-05 10:33||EmacsUser||Note Added: 0001765|
|2012-08-05 10:33||EmacsUser||Status||new => feedback|
|2012-08-08 13:45||climbingstars||Note Added: 0001777|
|2012-08-08 13:45||climbingstars||Status||feedback => new|
|2012-08-08 18:25||EmacsUser||Note Added: 0001781|
|2012-08-08 18:25||EmacsUser||Status||new => feedback|
|2012-08-08 18:25||EmacsUser||Note Edited: 0001781||View Revisions|
|2012-08-08 18:26||EmacsUser||Note Edited: 0001781||View Revisions|
|2012-08-10 10:22||climbingstars||Note Added: 0001789|
|2012-08-10 10:22||climbingstars||Status||feedback => new|
|2012-08-10 16:59||EmacsUser||Project||Core Inform => Documentation, Examples, and Web Site|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Note Added: 0001791|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Reproducibility||always => N/A|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Status||new => confirmed|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Category||Model world => Writing with Inform|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Summary||Blank line given when NPC tries an action that fails => WI 12.6 should explain that, in contrast with orders and WI 12.5, unsuccessful spontaneous actions print nothing for failure|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2012-08-10 17:05||EmacsUser||Steps to Reproduce Updated||View Revisions|
|2014-01-25 08:47||graham||Status||confirmed => resolved|
|2014-01-25 08:47||graham||Resolution||open => fixed|
|2014-01-25 08:47||graham||Assigned To||=> graham|
|2014-05-07 07:37||jmcgrew||Fixed in Version||=> 6L02|
|2014-05-07 07:38||jmcgrew||Status||resolved => closed|
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