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|0000411||Core Inform||Source text and punctuation||public||2010-11-13 20:01||2014-05-07 07:35|
|Platform||x86||OS||Mac OS X||OS Version||10.5|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||6L02|
|Summary||0000411: Unhelpful error message for ``at the time that'' rather than ``at the time when''|
|Description||The attached source provokes this problem message:|
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Problem. You wrote 'At the time that the master arrives' : but 'at' what time? No description of a time is given, which means that this rule can never have effect. (The convention is that any rule beginning 'At' is a timed one. The time can either be a fixed time, as in 'At 11:10 AM: ...', or the time when some named event takes place, as in 'At the time when the clock chimes: ...'.)
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It would be helpful if the message could point out more explicitly that the word ``when'' must be used.
|Minimal Source Text To Reproduce|
There is a room. At the time that the master arrives: the master arrives in one turn from now.
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|Effect||(cosmetic) Error message is badly worded|
Ron Newcomb (reporter)
|A more helpful error message would probably speak of using declarative constructs in an imperative context, which is the kind of error this reporter keeps making, and s/he isn't alone. I see mistakes like this a lot in the forums.|
First, if you have a problem with me, talk to me personally. I am informing the admins that you use bug reports to issue personal attacks.
Second, bugs are fixed by reporting as much detail about the problem as possible, and suggesting a solution. That makes life easier on the developers. If they have to figure out what you mean, then they usually write off the problem as nonrepro.
I understood Ron's point to be that there is something fundamentally misleading about Inform's error messages here, and that this was more a remark about Inform than about any person.
That said: let's adopt a policy of not generalizing about the tendencies of specific bug reporters. It's unlikely to clarify anything, and may (as here, unfortunately) lead to hard feelings.
Actually, there could be two bugs here: one about an unhelpful problem message, and one about accepting nested rule declarations. I've pared this one down accordingly, and also split off 0000417.
|This looks very marginal to me - the mistake is correctly explained, and do many people idiomatically write "at the time that"? - but it was a sufficiently trivial change to the syntax analyser that I added a more specific problem message anyway.|
|2010-11-13 20:01||Poster||New Issue|
|2010-11-13 20:52||Ron Newcomb||Note Added: 0000815|
|2010-11-13 22:04||jmcgrew||Status||new => acknowledged|
|2010-11-14 19:28||Poster||Note Added: 0000816|
|2010-11-14 22:00||emshort||Note Added: 0000818|
|2010-11-16 10:54||EmacsUser||Issue cloned||0000417|
|2010-11-16 10:58||EmacsUser||Note Added: 0000822|
|2010-11-16 10:58||EmacsUser||Summary||Unhelpful error message when using "At the time..." rule => Unhelpful error message for ``at the time that'' rather than ``at the time when''|
|2010-11-16 10:58||EmacsUser||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2010-11-16 10:58||EmacsUser||Steps to Reproduce Updated||View Revisions|
|2010-11-16 10:58||EmacsUser||Additional Information Updated||View Revisions|
|2010-11-16 11:06||EmacsUser||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2010-11-16 18:53||jmcgrew||Status||acknowledged => confirmed|
|2011-10-16 06:29||graham||Note Added: 0001391|
|2011-10-16 06:29||graham||Status||confirmed => resolved|
|2011-10-16 06:29||graham||Resolution||open => fixed|
|2011-10-16 06:29||graham||Assigned To||=> graham|
|2014-05-07 07:34||jmcgrew||Fixed in Version||=> 6L02|
|2014-05-07 07:35||jmcgrew||Status||resolved => closed|
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